This rule is changed from "lower" to "equal or lower". Uninstalled after 6 years, nearly 8k games. This will cause the ricochet of shells with caliber up to 429 mm. Now i know the changes are entangled in a way that one affects the other, but i have to start somewhere. Does it mean that 152 wooster with IFHE is going to break more shells on me instead of doing damage? Mogami — Japanese Tier VIII cruiser.. Mogami was built as a light cruiser whose characteristics would largely exceed those of her contemporary counterparts. So something like: Reduced damage and incapacitation to modules by 30% for HE shells 139mm and below, Reduced damage and incapacitation to modules by 60% for HE shells above 139mm. Maybe when first added but now there is a ton of ships in game which are worthless without it. Harugumo, Kitakaze Worcester, Kutuzov and Belfast, armed with IFHE are certainly some of the most unfun experiences to face. Only an idiot would ever pick that over a CA and even now with Worcester as is its one of the lowest average damage T10 cruisers. 在曾经的战舰世界中,最上以初始15门精度和点火率极高的155毫米舰炮扬名四海,就连战列舰也为之恐惧,将各路玩家当打儿子一样打,因而获得“最爹”之美誉。同样以洗甲板闻名的还有美国的 克利夫兰 ( 克爹 ) 、以及 圣路易斯 ( 圣爹 ) 。 因为太强大所以最上从a测的7级船 … Even then, the suggested IFHE nerf is bit too much. I've played CL before IFHE were introduced. The point is, IFHE is too much of an must have. IFHE would simply move exactly one threshold. It's not all roses here. [–]darkestvice 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). I'd like to stick with what appears to be the WG strategy so far: Either CL runs IFHE and does alpha and significantly less fires (which should overall make them slightly more effective, or at least more comfortable, to reflect 4-point investment) or they don't and get their damage propped up by fires (and while we're on the topic, can we change DE & the flags to "fire chance *1.1" instead of the idiotic statistically ignorant +2%? Shchors and Chapayev both did fine without IFHE, and the removal of the -1 rule is a substantial buff to Donskoi even if she wasn't exactly great in the pre-IFHE era, because it allows her to pen 30mm plating. This whole thing seems like WG's usual MO of using the sledgehammer instead of the scalpel turned up to 11. Generally I expect that this change will therefore diversify the gameplay in between cruisers and lift the skill ceiling, which I consider a good thing. By jinelcrimp8, May 30, 2020 in World of Warships. ***** Tell us your server and get a referral code from a fellow /wowsg/ to get extra bonus credits/flags All posts must relate to World of Warships or Warships in general, with the exception of off-topic posts (Things like history, model kits, anime ships, and the like) that are allowed on Sundays. You could argue for the RU line, but it can get by without it. Otherwise, it will not increase your ability to damage BBs, that have 32-50mm plating, so should most of the time, be avoided. Ship targeted nerfs would propably be better...except that WG "can't" nerf the OP premium ships, so we are back to step 1. The issue was that the high ROF firebreathers arrived on the scene and really wrecked things. One only needs to look at the fact that "good" heavy cruiser reload at T8 is now < 12s rather than ~14s as it was before IFHE. Perhaps something like a harugumo that already has reasonable (though not exceptional) stealth would be something where you might pass on concealment expert, too. I'd like to see that aspect improved (give US and RN CLs 10km radar, all CLs improved Defensive AA) rather than retaining their damage output. Ironically despite the Worcester being the most cancerous CL currently in the game, I also think the Tier 10 cruiser balance is in a good place given the strength of heavy cruiser AP at that tier. Also I know how to play Worcester very well I’m giving you statistics from the game not my own, if IFHE change goes through as is Worcester is dead in the water since it’s ONLY advantage is that it was able to lay on the hurt but at huge risk now the risk is as high or higher but damage output was nerfed too. Also, look at Neptune/Minotaur, you ever been under a hail of shell from one of those in a BB? 1,035 were here. Worcester, 4.6s stock. [–]ryanyz10 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). The problem is that we can all do math, or at least the competent CC's can. 127/6 = 21.16667, which is rounded down to 21. The probable reason why CA have less armour than CL is because both are still limited to same displacement of 10,000 tons. IFHE oversimplifies things by making HE a "universal" type of ammunition comparable to UK cruiser AP, except at least the latter cannot set fires and is useless unless you can hit the softer parts of a ship (which mostly mean spamming the superstructure against BBs, as said above). This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 386 mm. Plating of central part for tier X cruisers is brought to the value of 30 mm. The IFHE skill multiplies the shatter thickness by 1.3, with no rounding after the calculation. Besides, if people aren't going to lose all their secondaries by the moment they get hit by you, maybe secondary specs will be bit more common over FP/Bos spam. Maybe by bit too much for few; Duca Degli Abruzzi has a pathetic 7% base firechance. The carrier changes, addition of these laaarge cruisers, spotting changes along with few others are already changing the way we play for the most part, but thats for the next post. (technically it's supposed to be equipped with 203mm guns). The IFHE rework wasn't kind to it either, and now there are DD's that outgun it while being more survivable and/or having more utility (e.g. But battleships will still be able to penetrate ships' bow and aft ends, because only the plating of the central part is changed. It's only useful when fighting other cruisers if they show broadside within 10km. So something like: Reduced damage and incapacitation to modules by 30% for HE shells 139mm and below, Reduced damage and incapacitation to modules by 60% for HE shells above 139mm. I don't see a problem with this. I do not have the ship itself, but I did play both Des Moines and Minotaur, and when in a good position with island cover (Minotaur arcs allow it too) I just knew the player I was shooting at wanted my head on a stick, it's just that frustrating. If the existing plating or armor belt was thicker, it won't be changed; Again, this is pretty much the same story; A Montana will give zero fucks about your Ibuki having 27mm, whereas the sucky Bismarck will bounce. Blizzard and I don't have a good relationship for when they rework heroes that I love. For the most part, anyone not taking IFHE on CLs is going to be so much less effective than one taking that from a balance perspective those without don't "matter". Das bedeutet das die Sprenggranate bei Schiffen an stellen ohne IFHE zerbrechen wenn sie eine Panzerung von 32mm haben und dadurch kein Durchschlag erfolgt, was heißt das der Treffer 0 Schaden verursacht und lediglich die Möglichkeit auf einen Brand besteht. Seeing as 0.8.7's PT has listed nothing relevant to the proposed changes, even to cruiser side/deck plating, I don't think WG is planning to implement this soon either. 8 seconds for Tier VI Cleveland and Tier VIII Mikhail Kutuzov. [–]bigbrambleBOTS gaming community commander 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children). As well as... First Gripe. All posts and comments must adhere to sitewide Reddit rules. That had the unintended consequence of making IFHE mandatory. It's broken on Harugumo and useless on Conq, this makes no sense.). Is it just me or is WG reaally trying to increase the tiering differences? If IFHE is meant to be a trade off between raw pen damage and fire damage, it for starters shouldn't be a 4 point skill. Re-balancing ships on a one off basis is a ton of work compared to adjusting a global object. This will destroy its DPM against battleships and simply make sustained fire a light show (especially with its already pathetic 5 percent fire chance cut completely in half). This will keep interactions within the class, and between classes, intact considering changes to the HE shells penetration: 152 mm with penetration of 1/6 of the caliber won't penetrate the new plating of 26 mm; Remember everything i said about the annoyance of missing just 1mm of pen? I have always loved that even when you are bottom tier if you play properly you at least have some sort of chance to have a decent impact, but these changes make that chance, at least for Light cruisers absurdly small. As 27 mm < 27.3 mm, IFHE 127 mm guns can penetrate 27 mm of armor. That allows BB captains in turn to chose between the lesser of to evils, diversifying gameplay. [–]covfefe_rexKriegsmarine 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (11 children). a.k.a. is a post-credits segment featuring Haru Miura and Reborn, interviewing the characters of the series. But again, isn't "low" durability supposed to be the downside for low tier cruisers? The Seattle would also like to have a word with you. Good job. Most battleships have a very large superstructure that has, at most, 19mm of armor, meaning even puny USN 127mm guns can go through and do damage (and IJN 100mm certainly can given their 1/4 caliber HE pen, and could even before that if they bothered to switch to AP, something not many did apparently). I'm honestly a fan of the originally proposed changes to both armour and IFHE. No duplicate posts- please search for similar posts before posting. However, i would love to see 25mm plating on heavy cruisers at T6-T7. Boise/Nuevo de Julio exhibited this to a particular extreme with their super heal. None of the intra-class balance (and a big part of why they're strong) is changing, and relying on fires for damage worked just fine for CLs in the two years prior to IFHE's introduction. That ship is hot garbage. November 12, 2020. Earlier implementation of IFHE was more or less fine. IFHE CLs on release were not balanced at all; WG only solved the issue through rampant DPM powercreep. This, in my opinion would be very good; a lot of new players don't have the points at those tier to spec IFHE and it's honestly laughable when a newb on a Dallas is shooting a T7 BB and just shattering. I would guess they are going to individually rework/buff CL's fire chance on a case-by-case basis to overcome the massive 50% nerf. Now, that's not to say I don't realize there will be ships caught short after this change, but what's the point in assuming they won't be buffed to compensate? But I like OP's suggestion, would like to see the ideas implemented in practice, [–]Mazgazine1Destroyer -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (1 child). For something like Atlanta im already used to being food for heavy cruisers if i can't DPM them down. [–]Zanurath -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children). Jon Blon Jovi - Content Creator Extraordinaire - Music Curator - DJ / Occasional Rapper - Comedian The entire middle-front and middle-rear share one single fire location, so it is necessary to spread shells to the very tail, very nose and the middle, or else all the shells hitting the superstructure will start a grand total of 1 fire that a battleship can simply out-heal, while the quickly-damage-immune superstructure is not harming the battleship. A BB HE shell would do 100% to most things, a 203mm cruiser would be more like 75% to battleships, and light cruisers in the 25%-ish (atlanta) to 50% (kirov) range. This is the thickness…, I wasn't planning on posting this but it was part of a reply to someone else's post and I thought it was worth putting up again. There are certainly some of them that are problematic, Worcester and Helena come to mind, and the IJN gunboat DD branch stands out, but that's more for the fact they got an unneeded 1/4 pen buff. Besides, if people aren't going to lose all their secondaries by the moment they get hit by you, maybe secondary specs will be bit more common over FP/Bos spam. Yeah this is why i don’t like the proposed changes: IFHE remains a must have for the most part, yet is a lot weaker. But for the Wooster it wouldn't feel that much different, maybe you get few less fires, but thats it. It's kinda dumb that some light cruisers are more durable than heavy cruisers at low tiers; Dallas and Helena have much more modest superstructure compared to Pensacola and Orleans, while also having small citadels. Honestly, i wish the HE pen mechanics had worked like this all along. Especially for light cruisers. I 100% agree with WGs proposed 50% reduction in fire chance, you either pen or your flame... Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. The meta at the time however was CL is frontliner focusing on softer enemy ships, i.e. In my eyes this is more of a split between heavy and light introducing a seperate layer in the interaction "battleships beat cruisers, cruisers beat destroyers, ...". [–]Vanzig 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (4 children). This subreddit is for the PC version of the game. Moderators reserve the right to remove any post or comment, ban any account, or take other moderation actions that may be needed at any point in time, regardless of stated rules, if the moderators believe it to be in the best interest of the community at large. [–]pint_of_brewLikes Salty Cashews. Not related to the thickness of the armour. [–]thelastholdout 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago (11 children). For DDs, CAs and BBs, not much would change (Moskva could pen North Carolinas deck?) Harugumo, Kitakaze Worcester, Kutuzov and Belfast, armed with IFHE are certainly some of the most unfun experiences to face. Quite the nerf. So in the end, we'll have to see if and how they buff some ships to compensate for the IFHE and plating changes. Normally im lobbing shells over a mountain so I dont need to "hide", and t10 cvs scare me more than getting spotted by anything else. CAs will continue to work just like we are used to with odd outliers (IFHE Henry cough) relegated to different playstyles. My suggestion is to just increase the debuff for the fire chance currently (-40% or -50% like in PTS) and make the current IFHE transform a firestarter into a pure raw damage/almost no fire. World of Warships. Yet, you have crazy amount of ships which would suck to play without or with less effective IFHE. What is the point of played post IFHE Atlanta. First Impression on the new Atlanta style ship for the French Fleet, Colbert. I already have a 19-pt captain with IFHE on the Wooster and won't drop the 500 dbls to respec him, but if/when the rework goes through it will be worth a … The point of the rework is to weaken the benefits of IFHE so it's not mandatory. Required fields are marked *. No, it really isn't, not when CLs are getting the same plating changes as CAs. But since every ship now has god tier AA... Good AA boats aren’t special. [–]VirtusIncognita 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children). The only ships which are too strong with IFHE are the Akizuki line Kutuzov and Belfast. Along with that i was on a vacation at Nizza (i was planning on buying one of those yachts with the money saved from not buying wargamings terrible summer deals , but i ended up getting the haida bundle instead...wg sponsor summer breaks? She had good armor along with a powerful artillery and torpedo armament. I think your % damage reduction and module incapacitation mechanic is clever and creative, but I'm not sure "add another layer of mechanical complexity" in a mechanic that's exclusive to an already overly-complicated captain skill is the right solution. DD and CL/CA. Propably not. Gains 2mm of plating in the central part (no more overmatch for 380mm guns, hehe), keeps the fore and aft plating at 25mm? Not going to comment for or against, but I am going to criticise your mathematics: Flat % changes do not work for IFHE, and a move to a relative change is necessary to keep its effect consistent. No begging posts. I will end here, Congratulations for making it to the end. Harugumo 1K ms Shima 915 ms Kita 1k ms Yugumo 915 ms Kagero 91 5ms Irian 950 ms Huang he 950 ms Blyas 900 ms ... Looks like they're going to push through the moronic IFHE Nerf. Bigger guns are significantly heavier thus ship designers sacrificed the armour thickness on CA. For now I'm more concerned this early pass only examines the CL/CA/BB interaction and completely ignores the DD gun calibres. But for the Wooster it wouldn't feel that much different, maybe you get few less fires, but thats it. This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 357 mm. But personally, I'm happy that they'll make cruisers a touch tankier in the process. If Carriers were relevant one of its strengths would be very valuable. (A) YouTube and Twitch links must have a combined 20 link and comment karma to be posted. Ok, a straight up IFHE nerf. [–]Zanurath 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (12 children). What do you plan on doing? "What is the least number of Haruhi episodes that you would have to watch in order to see the original 14 episodes in every order possible?" The one I’m worried about is Smolensk since it has 3 Grozovois worth of Russian railguns and smoke for itself. X-Posts MUST BE MARKED. 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